Saturday, October 28, 2006


This post is in reply on someone sent mail on Second grade (FCI-H) group and other groups, he announced a course actually Web Development course its cost is 2300 L.E.
So, WHY course in Web Development and Why 2300 L.E.? Does it deserve?
Let’s talk logically, how it would cost you, if you search in “eMule” on “AppDev ASP.NET” spend 3 days (Maximum) downloading it if you have ADSL if you have not tell your friend (htksb swab 7’litoh ugeeb 7aga tfido) give him a 2 CDs (2 L.E.) after that spend a weeks (Maximum) study (AppDev ASP.NET is video learning you won’t read, too) spend another week (Maximum) to make sure you studied well, spend a month (Maximum) reading in MSDN; ASP.NET walkthroughs, advanced features and how to get most performance in your website and etc… (I swear (bee ALLAH) you will be professional in web development) would this story cost you 2300 L.E.???!

If you are interested in MOCs you can search in eMule, too
I am talking as you do those 3 hours per day; sure we all have 3 hours to study!

Sorry, that’s not for COMPUTER SCIENCE or INFORMATION SYSTEM students, those are higher than taking courses in such matters.. those GIVE not TAKE courses.

And about certification, who minds to take it as self-paced training (self-study) and take exam to take the certification?? I think that’s better or someone stuffs your mind with information (take it as it) to be tested??!

So, I see there are 2 reasons to take courses, the first take courses in any language because you need someone to converse with, to higher your skills in it and the second if you are working and you assigned a task in something you do not know and you’ve not time to study it, you want someone to figure your task out, If you have not a friend can help you, you compelled to take a course ( I am not satisfied this reason but it may be)

Modified in 31/10
There is another reason to take courses, if the course will enhance you significantly, like Management courses, etc.
Because these courses if educated by experts, they would give you great experience that is very difficult to be gained from reading about them concepts.

Please, do not respond to any course announcement, it’s fake thing no more no less

Thank you for reading,


Ahmed Abdelmoneim

sa ramy,
i think you are right and there's people can do this but i think you are wrong in 2 points:
1 - you saied "Sorry, that’s not for COMPUTER SCIENCE or INFORMATION SYSTEM students, those are higher than taking courses in such matters.. those GIVE not TAKE courses."
i think this is very racial speech, any one need to be stronger in some subjects and he can study it by himself or he can ask for the help from some one have alot of experience( and as you know not all we learn are used in the real life).
2 - i agree with you that you can be profdessional in any field by self-study and reading , but not all people able to do that (sawab3ak mesh zy ba3daha) w ana shayef ennak baset lelmawdo3 dah mn ganeb wa7ed ( don't always think that all people think like you).
alsalam 3alykom w ra7mato allah w barakatoh

Mohammad Nabil
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Mohammad Nabil

You said " and as you know not all we learn are used in the real life", I just want to comment on that. This is not a finite fact! These stuff we learn was not created to not be used. If no one "in Egypt" is using them then this is our fault. I believe that we are not using them cuz we don't understand them nor the power they give to us. I am sure that once we become active in this stuff and actually use them (to generate other stuff that we just used b4), this is the first step in becoming a 1st world country.

Ramy Mahrous

@Ahmed Abdelmoneim
wy 3likom el salam,
I said in such matters and as I am computer science student I am dealing with most of them inside and outside my faculty (FCI-Helwan) and post graduate really they higher than taking courses in web development
To be stronger you do not need to take course, contrarily, selfstudy widen your knowledge (I'll explain it the next comment)
Ask for help, do not ask for course!
who said asking for help is underestimate who asks?
"And as you know not all we learn are used in the real life" sorry that's the difference between professionalism and el fhloaa!

"but not all people able to do that" they have to be.
today was course ASP.NET 2, tomorrow course ASP.NET 3, after tomorrow course C#.NET 2, and also today course J2SE, yesterday was course Oracle 10G,errrrrrrrrrrr, when you will depend on yourself ????? technology is a fast train catch it yourself no one will help you catching it forever.
tb enta shaif aih el gaaneb ely ana shaif bih el modo3 dah, momkn abaa ana 3'ltan
wy 3likom el salam wy ra7mt ALLAH wy brkatoh

Ramy Mahrous

@Ahmed Abdelmoneim 2
My second comment how will selfstudy will make you stronger more than you expect
I'll talk about web development
The story

You asked someone you want to be web developer, he told you to download AppDev ASP.NET video learning or download book called "Syngress web developers guide" you said Ok, downloaded and started to study.. then while studying you read about XML WebService, CGI, Perl, PHP, SQL Server, MySQL etc you decide to read a simple introduction about liked PHP and MySQL while studying ASP.NET and SQL Server, after while you finished ASP.NET and SQL Server and you decide to begin PHP and MySQL the result you became very professional Web developer (ASP.NET and PHP) without paying 1 L.E.
that's a small story you can imagine more than that

Selfstudy is the perfect solution for professionals